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Just Some Shmuck's avatar

Great post, JJ. Any time I want to explain human behaviour I start with status and incentives. Incentives drive behaviour, and each side is increasingly incentivized to campaign against the other half of America. As long as this is the case there seems to be no way out of this mess.

While there was some policy, this was a vibes election, and mostly seemed to signal an answer to the question “what America do we want to be, and who are we?” Put another way, what will be high status and low status following the election?

This brought campaigning against your fellow citizens to the forefront of the issue in a way I’ve never seen before - even the rhetoric was less focused on the political opponents and more on their movements (far left, far right, MAGA republicans, childless cat ladies). It was definitely clear to each side what they DO NOT want America to be, and what beliefs they want to be low status.

Examples abound. The “enemy within” comment was accepted by republicans without them batting an eye. Why? It’s how they feel! Does anyone think Democrats sincerely think people in MAGA hats are not a dangerous enemy within to be controlled? Of course not; they just don’t say it in such stark terms - they just call them racist (a very low status thing to be in left-world).

This isn’t totally surprising. Elites and the working class are genuinely repulsed by each other. I’m on the elite side (though a long time conservative) and I’m disgusted by MAGA and its heroes.

Knowing that this is how people feel today and seeing these results and watching this campaign, it seems clear to me that the Trump victory rewarded and will further incentivize going to war against half your own country.

This is also why the Trump win was so disheartening - I don’t want to live in (or next to) a place that has so soundly defeated my elite culture and it’s markers - restraint, civility, etc - in favour of their own. I suspect that’s why this one hurts for people in a way that's difficult to articulate. The standards by which you'd negatively judge Trump were rejected, and it feels like we are playing a sport where the rules just changed! It wasn’t about abortion or economic policy; ultimately, this was the repudiation of a worldview. For many, the alternative is completely unpalatable and I think many people aren’t sure how they’re supposed to fit into a world and culture that just dispensed with everything they hold dear.

After an election it’s common to hear pundits say “there is more that unites us than divides us.” I just don’t know if that’s true; the sides have so little in common. In past decades, it does seem that there was some common ground, usually over the American civic tradition and love of country. This election has also demonstrated that shared civic values and beliefs about America are not strong enough ties to bind, and that half the country hates the other half. I don’t know how to define American values now - does anyone? Does anyone try in a way that isn't clearly about elevating the status of their own side?

Until this behavior, this rhetoric, and these beliefs are punished and disincentivized, I don’t foresee any positive change. Elections are about winning, and this is what winning politics looks like now. It makes me sad.

As a thought experiment, what could a unifying message possibly be, even if a political leader felt there was advantage in promoting one? If there was one, would it be a winning message? I think this is the first time in my adult life I haven't been able to take a stab at answering one of these questions.

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Blue Wave's avatar

I’m generation Z male. For a number of years now, older people have been unaware of how much reactionaries have connected with teenage boys online.

Many YouTubers like Paul Joseph Watson were (and are) crafting their videos to be fun for young people. They explicitly talk of redpilling the next generation.

I was myself a hardcore anti SJW type who feared being humiliated and shamed by feminists - and a number of my friends regularly consumed reactionary stuff on YouTube.

I don’t want censorship of the Internet - but there should 100% be more consciousness of the reality of what happening to young men.

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